The strong can intimidate, the weak too feeble
YoursayPublished: Mar 6, 2015 1:30 AM | Updated: Mar 6, 2015 1:35 AM
YOURSAY ‘The act has not been committed, yet the DIGP has given a guilty verdict.’
Kita Lawan rally illegal 'for many reasons'
Gerard Lourdesamy: Go read Section 141 of the Penal Code which deals with offences against public tranquility.
Where is the evidence that the participants intend to "overawe with criminal force" or indulge in a "show of criminal force" or "use means of criminal force"?
The police are just finding excuses to prevent the gathering which is a constitutional right and provided for in the Peaceful Assembly Act (PAA) 2012.
Since when is "intimidating" the government by means of a legitimate public protest or any criticism of the government or its leaders an offence?
Until the Federal Court decides section 9(5) of the PAA is unconstitutional and unlawful, the failure to give notice cannot be penalised and it does not render the gathering illegal.
It is not the job of the police to insulate the government from public criticism or anger provided the protest is peaceful and no violence is used. The police are clearly being unfair and biased here.
Tikusmati: Intimidation. Now that is an interesting word. Who is intimidating who? Only the strong and powerful intimidate. The weak and helpless can only, at the most react, feebly.
So please explain your rationale, deputy inspector-general of police (DIGP) Noor Rashid Ibrahim.
Asitis: One of the basic principles of justice is innocent until proven guilty. But here, the act has not even been committed yet. Yet the DIGP has already given a guilty verdict.
Wow, does he have a time machine or something? He seems to know what exactly is going to happen.
Basically: I feel safer already, our DIGP is clairvoyant. He should also ban party AGMs, as Gerakan’s one had something seditious mentioned last year, didn’t it?
Perhaps he should put his skills to good use, for example, predicting where murderers or thieves will hit next and post police officers there to stop the crimes.
Kolopilah: I thought Caliph Buskers is performing at Sogo every Saturday (their rice bowl, remember?) So how can the police prevent us from coming?
Sabahan: Really silly arguments for the DIGP. He is against anyone going into a bank as that person may want to rob it?
Limfly: The deputy IGP says he is against the rally because, "speeches... may be seditious". Sounds very much like somebody else's "shoot first, ask questions later".
Wira: Legal or illegal is as per definition of the Peaceful Assembly Act and the interpretation accorded to it by the court, or the attorney-general (AG) if there is no precedence set by the court.
It is not for the IGP or his deputy to declare an assembly illegal under the act by assuming that some illegal activities may be carried out by the participants. This is not a police state.
It is rather the responsibility of the police to police the crowd as per provision of the Act when citizens peacefully assemble under the same.
Police declare 'Najib must quit' rally illegal
Magnus: “‘There is no approval ... the rally is against the law,’ Dang Wangi police chief Zainol Samah told reporters after meeting representatives of the rally's organisers.
“The Dang Wangi police chief also said previous Kita Lawan rallies had disrupted public order and expressed concern for what might happen to bystanders and public property if another protest were to be held in Sogo.”
Can Zainol please clarify what exactly he means to say by the above statements when he knows what Article 10 codifies and presumably, also knows about the recent Court of Appeal ruling mentioned here?
Why has the attorney-general not amended Section 9(5) of the PAA after the appellate court's ruling?
Does the AG intend to appeal against that ruling to the Federal Court, and if so, why the delay when in certain other matters, the AG is seen to be quick on the draw when it comes to him launching appeals?
Why the seeming inconsistency or arbitrary selectiveness in seemingly same procedural actions?
Peacemaker: The police have no authority to declare anything illegal. That is the purview of the court.
Will the cops stop trying to be prosecutor, jury and judge and just get on with policing which they are barely and badly doing.
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Kita Lawan rally illegal 'for many reasons'
Gerard Lourdesamy: Go read Section 141 of the Penal Code which deals with offences against public tranquility. Where is the evidence that the participants intend to "overawe with criminal force" or indulge in a "show of criminal force" or "use means of criminal force"?
The police are just finding excuses to prevent the gathering which is a constitutional right and provided for in the Peaceful Assembly Act (PAA) 2012.
Since when is "intimidating" the government by means of a legitimate public protest or any criticism of the government or its leaders an offence?
Until the Federal Court decides section 9(5) of the PAA is unconstitutional and unlawful, the failure to give notice cannot be penalised and it does not render the gathering illegal.
It is not the job of the police to insulate the government from public criticism or anger provided the protest is peaceful and no violence is used. The police are clearly being unfair and biased here.
Tikusmati: Intimidation. Now that is an interesting word. Who is intimidating who? Only the strong and powerful intimidate. The weak and helpless can only, at the most react, feebly.
So please explain your rationale, deputy inspector-general of police (DIGP) Noor Rashid Ibrahim.
Asitis: One of the basic principles of justice is innocent until proven guilty. But here, the act has not even been committed yet. Yet the DIGP has already given a guilty verdict.
Wow, does he have a time machine or something? He seems to know what exactly is going to happen.
Basically: I feel safer already, our DIGP is clairvoyant. He should also ban party AGMs, as Gerakan’s one had something seditious mentioned last year, didn’t it?
Perhaps he should put his skills to good use, for example, predicting where murderers or thieves will hit next and post police officers there to stop the crimes.
Kolopilah: I thought Caliph Buskers is performing at Sogo every Saturday (their rice bowl, remember?) So how can the police prevent us from coming?
Sabahan: Really silly arguments for the DIGP. He is against anyone going into a bank as that person may want to rob it?
Limfly: The deputy IGP says he is against the rally because, "speeches... may be seditious". Sounds very much like somebody else's "shoot first, ask questions later".
Wira: Legal or illegal is as per definition of the Peaceful Assembly Act and the interpretation accorded to it by the court, or the attorney-general (AG) if there is no precedence set by the court.
It is not for the IGP or his deputy to declare an assembly illegal under the act by assuming that some illegal activities may be carried out by the participants. This is not a police state.
It is rather the responsibility of the police to police the crowd as per provision of the Act when citizens peacefully assemble under the same.
Police declare 'Najib must quit' rally illegal
Magnus: “‘There is no approval ... the rally is against the law,’ Dang Wangi police chief Zainol Samah told reporters after meeting representatives of the rally's organisers.
“The Dang Wangi police chief also said previous Kita Lawan rallies had disrupted public order and expressed concern for what might happen to bystanders and public property if another protest were to be held in Sogo.”
Can Zainol please clarify what exactly he means to say by the above statements when he knows what Article 10 codifies and presumably, also knows about the recent Court of Appeal ruling mentioned here?
Why has the attorney-general not amended Section 9(5) of the PAA after the appellate court's ruling?
Does the AG intend to appeal against that ruling to the Federal Court, and if so, why the delay when in certain other matters, the AG is seen to be quick on the draw when it comes to him launching appeals?
Why the seeming inconsistency or arbitrary selectiveness in seemingly same procedural actions?
Peacemaker: The police have no authority to declare anything illegal. That is the purview of the court.
Will the cops stop trying to be prosecutor, jury and judge and just get on with policing which they are barely and badly doing.
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