Jais must apologise for ill-conceived raid
YoursayPublished: Jun 13, 2014 9:52 AM | Updated: Jun 13, 2014 4:46 PM
YOURSAY ‘Since when were the Bibles a security threat in the first place?’
AG: Bible case closed, Jais 'to do the necessary'
Jiminy Qrikert: In Malaysia, there appears to be a particular pattern of Islamisation going on.
There will be periods erupting where Islamists 'protecting the faith' are allowed to go berserk and carry out various forms of jihad, from invading a mass and desecrating the Eucharist to burning churches, seizing the Bible, invading temples, staking claims over words and phrases, snatching bodies and running riot with cow, chicken and pig heads.
Amidst all these, there will be the push for making Malaysia Islamic with the call for hudud. This will be followed by a quiet admonition for the jihadists to simmer down till the next orchestrated episode.
It appears there are Muslims among them who know what they are doing is unlawful, wrong morally or simply destructive. But as long as it grinds in the supremacy of Muslims and keeps everyone else unsettled, they do it quite happily.
For the rest of the Muslims, they watch without raising any objections even though they disagree as long as it is all in the name of Islam.
Whatif: Can Selangor Islamic Affairs Department (Jais) now please return the seized books and apologise for the raid? The Christians are willing to forgive, but please do not do that again.
Meanwhile, this case may be closed, but the primary issue of the ‘Allah’ ban has not been resolved yet - it is left hanging in the Federal Court on appeal by the Catholic weekly Herald and also there are two other cases involving SIB (Sidang Injil Borneo) and Jill Ireland from East Malaysia.
Please do not drag your feet as you must face these controversies head on.
Odin: Whatever shortcomings attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail might have, he, at least, has far more sense than that odious Muslim judge who portrayed himself as an expert on Christianity, merely after conducting a quick search, or what he pompously claimed as research, on the Internet.
We shall assume that Gani has expended a fair bit of time before coming to his decision because he needed to really read the Bible.
Jais, of course, has confirmed itself yet once again to be just a bunch of moronic, ill-bred Muslim extremists. As for Selangor MB Abdul Khalid Ibrahim, the less said, the better.
Peacemaker: This is a classic case of the attorney-general using or abusing his powers under Article 145(3) Federal Constitution not to take action against Jais.
Surely the Bible Society of Malaysia, and by extension Christians in this country, have been wronged, insulted and oppressed by Jais, thus making its conduct a criminal offence.
Since the AG says "case closed", Jais gets away scot free. This is a travesty of justice.
Anonymous_1Ingrate: In our wildest dream, we could never ever imagine that the Bible or Alkitab could pose a national security threat.
The entire content of the Bible and its central theme is a message of love as the Christian God is a God of love. Nowhere in its entire message does the Bible exhort or teach its followers to spill blood, carry out armed rebellion or advocate bombing suicide or otherwise.
It is all about love, peace, joy, patience, kindness, faithfulness, goodness, gentleness and self-control.
Without such characteristics, or variously called ‘fruit’ by Christians, you never qualify as one, no matter how much sacrifices you make or how big the cross you wear or your claim as Christian, and how often you go to church.
Mano: "He (Gani Patail) added that the Home Ministry also told the AGC that the holy books are not a security threat.”
Since when has the Bible been a security threat in the first place? Since when did any religion (not hijacked by the minority extremists, as in Malaysia) create a security threat?.
AG, please go find the threat among the mentioned people, namely the ultra Muslims, the ultra Malays using race, religion and the royalty to hide their faces in this extremely unholy war.
Awakened: Since the Bible in Malay is no more a threat to national security as mentioned by the AG, we might as well ask Jais to keep the seized copies. There is no need to return them. The church can print as many as they wish now.
As a punishment for these eager Jais personnel who wrongly seized the Bible, why doesn't the AG ask them to recite and memorise the contents and then after three months, do a test on their knowledge about Christianity so that they have a better understanding about Christian teaching?
Magnus: Since the Selangor state religious authorities committed the wrong ‘kurang ajar’ action against another religion's Holy Book, they must now offer the same respect to that religion as they would like others to offer their religion's Holy Quran and apologise formally to the relevant church for their actions.
Surely they must know that they must do that at least, since they pretend to understand and convey to others good Islamic principles, behaviour and teachings.
If they do not, then the Sultan of Selangor, as the state's executive head of religious affairs, must step in and compel his religious officials to offer that formal apology.
Dear Khalid Ibrahim, I know you are a good state leader so all right-thinking Malaysians now expect you to step in as well and take the necessary civilised actions to ensure that a formal apology is made and is made in the right way to create goodwill, harmony, equality and unity.
Kangkung: Umno used Jais to seize of copies of the Bible to create racial and religious tension as a diversion. Now, it gets the Attorney-General's Chambers to conveniently say "the case is closed".
In Bolehland, the government can play with racial and religious issues with impunity, and there is nothing one can do, as all the agencies - police, courts, etc, are working hand-in-glove with Umno.
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AG: Bible case closed, Jais 'to do the necessary'
Jiminy Qrikert: In Malaysia, there appears to be a particular pattern of Islamisation going on.There will be periods erupting where Islamists 'protecting the faith' are allowed to go berserk and carry out various forms of jihad, from invading a mass and desecrating the Eucharist to burning churches, seizing the Bible, invading temples, staking claims over words and phrases, snatching bodies and running riot with cow, chicken and pig heads.
Amidst all these, there will be the push for making Malaysia Islamic with the call for hudud. This will be followed by a quiet admonition for the jihadists to simmer down till the next orchestrated episode.
It appears there are Muslims among them who know what they are doing is unlawful, wrong morally or simply destructive. But as long as it grinds in the supremacy of Muslims and keeps everyone else unsettled, they do it quite happily.
For the rest of the Muslims, they watch without raising any objections even though they disagree as long as it is all in the name of Islam.
Whatif: Can Selangor Islamic Affairs Department (Jais) now please return the seized books and apologise for the raid? The Christians are willing to forgive, but please do not do that again.
Meanwhile, this case may be closed, but the primary issue of the ‘Allah’ ban has not been resolved yet - it is left hanging in the Federal Court on appeal by the Catholic weekly Herald and also there are two other cases involving SIB (Sidang Injil Borneo) and Jill Ireland from East Malaysia.
Please do not drag your feet as you must face these controversies head on.
Odin: Whatever shortcomings attorney-general Abdul Gani Patail might have, he, at least, has far more sense than that odious Muslim judge who portrayed himself as an expert on Christianity, merely after conducting a quick search, or what he pompously claimed as research, on the Internet.
We shall assume that Gani has expended a fair bit of time before coming to his decision because he needed to really read the Bible.
Jais, of course, has confirmed itself yet once again to be just a bunch of moronic, ill-bred Muslim extremists. As for Selangor MB Abdul Khalid Ibrahim, the less said, the better.
Peacemaker: This is a classic case of the attorney-general using or abusing his powers under Article 145(3) Federal Constitution not to take action against Jais.
Surely the Bible Society of Malaysia, and by extension Christians in this country, have been wronged, insulted and oppressed by Jais, thus making its conduct a criminal offence.
Since the AG says "case closed", Jais gets away scot free. This is a travesty of justice.
Anonymous_1Ingrate: In our wildest dream, we could never ever imagine that the Bible or Alkitab could pose a national security threat.
The entire content of the Bible and its central theme is a message of love as the Christian God is a God of love. Nowhere in its entire message does the Bible exhort or teach its followers to spill blood, carry out armed rebellion or advocate bombing suicide or otherwise.
It is all about love, peace, joy, patience, kindness, faithfulness, goodness, gentleness and self-control.
Without such characteristics, or variously called ‘fruit’ by Christians, you never qualify as one, no matter how much sacrifices you make or how big the cross you wear or your claim as Christian, and how often you go to church.
Mano: "He (Gani Patail) added that the Home Ministry also told the AGC that the holy books are not a security threat.”
Since when has the Bible been a security threat in the first place? Since when did any religion (not hijacked by the minority extremists, as in Malaysia) create a security threat?.
AG, please go find the threat among the mentioned people, namely the ultra Muslims, the ultra Malays using race, religion and the royalty to hide their faces in this extremely unholy war.
Awakened: Since the Bible in Malay is no more a threat to national security as mentioned by the AG, we might as well ask Jais to keep the seized copies. There is no need to return them. The church can print as many as they wish now.
As a punishment for these eager Jais personnel who wrongly seized the Bible, why doesn't the AG ask them to recite and memorise the contents and then after three months, do a test on their knowledge about Christianity so that they have a better understanding about Christian teaching?
Magnus: Since the Selangor state religious authorities committed the wrong ‘kurang ajar’ action against another religion's Holy Book, they must now offer the same respect to that religion as they would like others to offer their religion's Holy Quran and apologise formally to the relevant church for their actions.
Surely they must know that they must do that at least, since they pretend to understand and convey to others good Islamic principles, behaviour and teachings.
If they do not, then the Sultan of Selangor, as the state's executive head of religious affairs, must step in and compel his religious officials to offer that formal apology.
Dear Khalid Ibrahim, I know you are a good state leader so all right-thinking Malaysians now expect you to step in as well and take the necessary civilised actions to ensure that a formal apology is made and is made in the right way to create goodwill, harmony, equality and unity.
Kangkung: Umno used Jais to seize of copies of the Bible to create racial and religious tension as a diversion. Now, it gets the Attorney-General's Chambers to conveniently say "the case is closed".
In Bolehland, the government can play with racial and religious issues with impunity, and there is nothing one can do, as all the agencies - police, courts, etc, are working hand-in-glove with Umno.
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