Honourable speaker, Abdul Rahim lied
YoursayPublished: Apr 11, 2014 9:39 AM | Updated: Apr 11, 2014 10:25 AM
YOURSAY 'When have Umno leaders or the government ever taken responsibility?'
'Rahim didn't confuse House with assumption'
Opah: The speaker Pandikar Amin Mulia is right that Deputy Defence Minister Abdul Rahim Bakri “did not confuse the House” by his statements. They were patently untrue and did not make any sense at all.
If MH370 was last seen on our military radar near Pulau Perak then the aircraft would have been heading west, towards Sumatra. It was out of range after Pulau Perak, so how on earth could the Malaysian government say it was under the control of an experienced pilot and heading north from Vampi to Gival and Igrex?
No one in his right mind would have been confused. I believe our government will be found to have been lying when the flight data recorders are examined. Provided of course the black box is not handed over to the Malaysian government before they are examined.
Ratbatblue: The deputy minister confused no one at all. He just stated the truth - that everyone from the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) to the Royal Malaysia Air Force (RMAF) were caught with their pants down in failing to intercept the aircraft which flew over Malaysian territory without permission.
What's the use of having billions of ringgit worth of sophisticated equipment for radar tracking and protection of our airspace if only assumptions are used? All it would have taken was to make a call to the Kuala Lumpur control tower to find out what was happening.
If our interceptor fighter jets had been sent up, at least a positive identification could have been made and attempts to track the airliner could have been made. This could have saved precious time in having to search the Gulf of Siam.
Unless of course the RMAF/Mindef (Defence Ministry) have deliberately held back key information. Being in a state of combat readiness, I believe our fighter jets could have been scrambled within three to five minutes (correct me if I am wrong). Our defence credibility has been shaken.
Uragt: Pandikar's reply doesn't explain why it took Malaysian radar more than four days to establish the turn back (or turn left) of MH370. The radar men were sleeping. And the whole defence system was unable to decipher the data for four days.
ACR: Abdul Rahim assumed that RMAF assumed that Subang's air traffic control ordered MH370's turn back. Fantastic!
Bury Lynas: The RMAF should just "assume" nobody will attack this country, not even the Japanese, and dismantle all armed forces. Then no one has to answer for anything.
Khris: The defence of our nation can be based on assumptions? Will it be too late if that plane had crashed into Putrajaya?
Single Malt: In any case, the damage is done. We have lost credibility in the eyes of the world. I feel ashamed when I watch the foreign news on the way Malaysia handled the MH370 tragedy and subsequent press conferences addressed by incompetent personnel.
Billster: What Pandikar means is, after getting orders from Umno, he decided that Abdul Rahim did not confuse the House with his ‘assumption’.
Paul Warren: Dear Mr Speaker, if you and the others were not misled or confused by the assumptions mentioned by the deputy defence minister, then that is evidence that we have a bunch of idiots, including yourself, in the House. I feel only pity for us.
Wa Beh Song: ‘Abang’ covers for the ‘adek’. When have Umno leaders or the government ever taken responsibility?
They are confused and have done the same to the whole world regarding MH370. They are masters in cover up and ‘tai chi’ (in shifting blame).
Now we have the speaker and the deputy minister both misleading the Parliament.
Aries46: Birds of a feather flock together. Pandikar’s credibility in trying to absolve Abdul Rahim from his obvious gaffe begs to be questioned. This speaker is noted for bending backwards to accommodate and cover up for his masters.
Many of his decisions in Parliament smack of prejudice against the opposition and this latest cover-up just adds on more of the same.
Joker: “As usual, if you are unhappy, you can move an independent motion,” Pandikar said. The unspoken follow through would be, "As usual, if you move any motion, I will reject them."
Speaking Sense: I think the poor speaker is confused about what it means to make a ruling about what is "to confuse" and "be confused".
But of course, we are not surprised. After all he represents a confused government, and so he is confused about the speaker's role to be fair and impartial to every MP.
Wira: The Parliament has become a joke with moronic ministers and their deputies who simply shoot information without fact-finding. Now tell me, who is confused about this?
Progressive: Pandikar said the deputy minister did not "intend to confuse or mislead." True, the deputy minister didn't. He just lied, period.
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'Rahim didn't confuse House with assumption'
Opah: The speaker Pandikar Amin Mulia is right that Deputy Defence Minister Abdul Rahim Bakri “did not confuse the House” by his statements. They were patently untrue and did not make any sense at all.If MH370 was last seen on our military radar near Pulau Perak then the aircraft would have been heading west, towards Sumatra. It was out of range after Pulau Perak, so how on earth could the Malaysian government say it was under the control of an experienced pilot and heading north from Vampi to Gival and Igrex?
No one in his right mind would have been confused. I believe our government will be found to have been lying when the flight data recorders are examined. Provided of course the black box is not handed over to the Malaysian government before they are examined.
Ratbatblue: The deputy minister confused no one at all. He just stated the truth - that everyone from the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) to the Royal Malaysia Air Force (RMAF) were caught with their pants down in failing to intercept the aircraft which flew over Malaysian territory without permission.
What's the use of having billions of ringgit worth of sophisticated equipment for radar tracking and protection of our airspace if only assumptions are used? All it would have taken was to make a call to the Kuala Lumpur control tower to find out what was happening.
If our interceptor fighter jets had been sent up, at least a positive identification could have been made and attempts to track the airliner could have been made. This could have saved precious time in having to search the Gulf of Siam.
Unless of course the RMAF/Mindef (Defence Ministry) have deliberately held back key information. Being in a state of combat readiness, I believe our fighter jets could have been scrambled within three to five minutes (correct me if I am wrong). Our defence credibility has been shaken.
Uragt: Pandikar's reply doesn't explain why it took Malaysian radar more than four days to establish the turn back (or turn left) of MH370. The radar men were sleeping. And the whole defence system was unable to decipher the data for four days.
ACR: Abdul Rahim assumed that RMAF assumed that Subang's air traffic control ordered MH370's turn back. Fantastic!
Bury Lynas: The RMAF should just "assume" nobody will attack this country, not even the Japanese, and dismantle all armed forces. Then no one has to answer for anything.
Khris: The defence of our nation can be based on assumptions? Will it be too late if that plane had crashed into Putrajaya?
Single Malt: In any case, the damage is done. We have lost credibility in the eyes of the world. I feel ashamed when I watch the foreign news on the way Malaysia handled the MH370 tragedy and subsequent press conferences addressed by incompetent personnel.
Billster: What Pandikar means is, after getting orders from Umno, he decided that Abdul Rahim did not confuse the House with his ‘assumption’.
Paul Warren: Dear Mr Speaker, if you and the others were not misled or confused by the assumptions mentioned by the deputy defence minister, then that is evidence that we have a bunch of idiots, including yourself, in the House. I feel only pity for us.
Wa Beh Song: ‘Abang’ covers for the ‘adek’. When have Umno leaders or the government ever taken responsibility?
They are confused and have done the same to the whole world regarding MH370. They are masters in cover up and ‘tai chi’ (in shifting blame).
Now we have the speaker and the deputy minister both misleading the Parliament.
Aries46: Birds of a feather flock together. Pandikar’s credibility in trying to absolve Abdul Rahim from his obvious gaffe begs to be questioned. This speaker is noted for bending backwards to accommodate and cover up for his masters.
Many of his decisions in Parliament smack of prejudice against the opposition and this latest cover-up just adds on more of the same.
Joker: “As usual, if you are unhappy, you can move an independent motion,” Pandikar said. The unspoken follow through would be, "As usual, if you move any motion, I will reject them."
Speaking Sense: I think the poor speaker is confused about what it means to make a ruling about what is "to confuse" and "be confused".
But of course, we are not surprised. After all he represents a confused government, and so he is confused about the speaker's role to be fair and impartial to every MP.
Wira: The Parliament has become a joke with moronic ministers and their deputies who simply shoot information without fact-finding. Now tell me, who is confused about this?
Progressive: Pandikar said the deputy minister did not "intend to confuse or mislead." True, the deputy minister didn't. He just lied, period.
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